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mELENaPSYCHEDELICArt писал(а):Sans Contrefacon,по поводу всей этой религиозной символики могу сказать следующее - думаю,Лоран во многих работах хотел показать "уязвимость человека без веры".Революционер-Разукин погибает,Тристана теряет крестик и...обезглавленный Христос в "Джио",распятье без креста,в грязи(SL)?..
А "Святой отец" - скорее всего,символизирует "церковь",стремящуюся к власти,т.е. обличается жажда власти..

Кажется стало понятнее. Просто иногда вера и церковь - это понятие как бы разные, хоть лично я и не могу их разделить.
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Сообщение mELENaPSYCHEDELICArt » 04 янв 2011, 17:16

Sans_Contrefacon писал(а):Кажется стало понятнее. Просто иногда вера и церковь - это понятие как бы разные, хоть лично я и не могу их разделить.

Да,правильно улавливаешь ход моих мыслей.Лоран показывает нам именно значение веры.
А люди,принадлежащие к церкви,всё равно остаются людьми.И всяческие порочные желания(в т.ч. желание власти)им не чужды.Следовательно,ИНОГДА понятия "церковь" и "вера" стоит разделять.И,"воцерковлённость",ношение креста и прочей религиозной "атрибутики" ещё означает наличия веры.
Образ отца Глеза из "Джорджино",кстати,в этом отношении очень показателен(не в отношении "людских пороков",а как символ "отсутствия веры в стенах церкви"...) - он уже даже не пытается эту "голову Христа" приклеить...
"Он сказал мне,что единственный путь роста - это искать общества тех,кто идёт по пути знания."

Карлос Кастанеда.
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mELENaPSYCHEDELICArt писал(а):Образ отца Глеза из "Джорджино",кстати,в этом отношении очень показателен(не в отношении "людских пороков",а как символ "отсутствия веры в стенах церкви"...) - он уже даже не пытается эту "голову Христа" приклеить...

Ну да в Джио об этом сказано не меньше чем в клипе. Там просто я насколько помню тот актер играл крестных отцов и вот под старость лет стал святым отцом. Хотя долг свой он в фильме выполнял вполне осознанно и всецело. А вера - это уже то, чего не видно и не слышно, но оно есть. Я вообще уважаю людей которых хотя бы никого не оскверняют, и если человек во что-то верит, то это уже заслуживает уважения.
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В Джио даже больше..наверное,всё то,что Лоран не успел/не смог показать в клипах..
Поддерживаю.ВСЕ религиозные течения заслуживают по меньшей мере уважения.Даже язычество(а я темой увлекаюсь..),наряду с "минусами",имеет множество "плюсов".
А "осквернять" не стану никогда и никого.Нормально отношусь к адекватным атеистам,которые не позволяют себе очернять веру и чужие представления о мироустройстве...
"Непознаваемое - это нечто,не поддающееся ни осмыслению,ни описанию.Непознаваемое никогда не перейдёт в разряд известного,но тем не менее оно всегда где-то рядом.Оно захватывает и восхищает нас своим великолепием,и в то же время его грандиозность и безграничность повергает нас в смертельный ужас...".
"Он сказал мне,что единственный путь роста - это искать общества тех,кто идёт по пути знания."

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mELENaPSYCHEDELICArt писал(а):"Непознаваемое - это нечто,не поддающееся ни осмыслению,ни описанию.Непознаваемое никогда не перейдёт в разряд известного,но тем не менее оно всегда где-то рядом.Оно захватывает и восхищает нас своим великолепием,и в то же время его грандиозность и безграничность повергает нас в смертельный ужас...".

Хорошо когда вот такое согласие у форумчан) А это умозаключение ваше или чье-то, раз в кавычках? В любом случае точно и сильно сказано :pst:
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Sans_Contrefacon писал(а):Хорошо когда вот такое согласие у форумчан) А это умозаключение ваше или чье-то, раз в кавычках? В любом случае точно и сильно сказано :pst:

Согласие - меня тоже радует) - надоели разборки уже..
Прошу прощения - я столь часто его слова вспоминаю - даже забыла подписать.Карлос Арана Кастанеда,из книги "Огонь изнутри".Учёный/писатель/мистик/оккультист/"пластиковый шаман"(пожалуй,самый известный из таковых."Пластиковыми шаманами называют "белых",интересующихся/практикующих индейские знания..).
"Он сказал мне,что единственный путь роста - это искать общества тех,кто идёт по пути знания."

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mELENaPSYCHEDELICArt писал(а):Прошу прощения - я столь часто его слова вспоминаю - даже забыла подписать.Карлос Арана Кастанеда,из книги "Огонь изнутри".Учёный/писатель/мистик/оккультист/"пластиковый шаман"(пожалуй,самый известный из таковых."Пластиковыми шаманами называют "белых",интересующихся/практикующих индейские знания..).

Почитал в вики его биографию - очень даже интересный человек был...
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Sans_Contrefacon писал(а): Там просто я насколько помню тот актер играл крестных отцов и вот под старость лет стал святым отцом. Хотя долг свой он в фильме выполнял вполне осознанно и всецело.


Вы это не у Манюни Сергиной прочитали? Если да - тогда лучше забудьте. А то под еще большую старость лет он сыграл советского маршала в "К-19".
А всего через год после "Джио" засветился вот в этом интересном экземпляре...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112681/

А как вы думаете, почему священник в деревне уважением, мягко говоря, особо не пользуется?
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Nightrider писал(а):Вы это не у Манюни Сергиной прочитали? Если да - тогда лучше забудьте. А то под еще большую старость лет он сыграл советского маршала в "К-19".
А всего через год после "Джио" засветился вот в этом интересном экземпляре...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112681/

А как вы думаете, почему священник в деревне уважением, мягко говоря, особо не пользуется?

У Сергиной прочитал, хотя она там пишет конечно с крутыми поворотами) Священник - ну потому что не ушел на войну, старый для них и все такое...

Код: Выделить всё

P.S.С возвращением, а то скучновато было
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Sans_Contrefacon писал(а):У Сергиной прочитал, хотя она там пишет конечно с крутыми поворотами) Священник - ну потому что не ушел на войну, старый для них и все такое...

Код: Выделить всё

P.S.С возвращением, а то скучновато было


Я вообще не понимаю, как она пишет, откровенно говоря. Еще и отказывается исправлять очевидные враки.

Да какое уж там "все такое". Они ведь и возразить ему не должны сметь. А это он перед ними вьется...
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